Thursday, July 10, 2008

is it a venial sin or a mortal sin?

(definitions from Wikipedia)

a venial sin is defined as a lesser sin that does not result in a complete separation from God and eternal damnation in Hell. A venial sin involves a "temporary loss of grace" from God.

a mortal sin is a sin that, unless confessed and absolved (or at least sacramental confession is willed if not available), condemns a person's soul to Hell after death. These sins are considered "mortal" because they constitute a rupture in a person's link to God's saving grace: the person's soul becomes "dead", not merely weakened. a mortal sin, as distinct from a venial sin, must meet all of the following conditions:

1. its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter;

2. it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (though nobody is deemed to be ignorant of the moral law, embedded into the conciences of every human being);

3. it must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin.

the criteria left open for debate regarding the burger cat is point number one, "its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter." has burger cat left some members of the fgbc with dead souls or merely weakened ones?

just asking.


The Dark Lord said...

It's a venial sin. That's pretty clear. I know my casuistry.

Anonymous said...

so there you gluttons!

Anonymous said...

I'd just like to throw it out there that Cadel is a big baby.
Just throwing it out there.

Dallas " Cadel bores me to tears and has more excuses than a 12 year old boy who wrecked the car." Sigurdur

JohnM said...

DALLAS where were you thursday hmm?
luc and i were talking about your past skill with burger eating...a certain race done completely on mcdonalds?

Anonymous said...

Ah yes the burger king and coke races, classic.
My favorite was in 2006 at the U.S 24 hour nationals I ate a whopper, drank a can of redbull and then drank a can of boost in like 5 minutes. I then left the camp and biked about 2 miles where I ended up pulling the single speed over to the side of the single track and wrenched my guts out. I remember puking so freakin hard and someone biked up to me and asked if I was alright.I told them it was no big deal as I do this all the time and I would be back in action in no time. I was and the rest of the race was as epic as anything I had ever done.
Tornado warnings, rain so hard they had to stop the race TWICE, free beer at the party loop tent where we were shacked up during the hardest rain and a dirt jump at the bottom of a hill that got bigger as the aide station people got drunker.

My favorite running story for puking was at the voyageur 50 miler in Minnesota where it was 105 Fahrenheit that day. There was 100% humidity and runs never get canceled so on the show went. I remember running down a hill after puking for about 16 miles on and off, just finishing eating watermelon because thats all I thought I could keep down (when doing ultra runs you HAVE to learn to eat and run at the same time and the closer to race pace the better it is for you time wise).
I remember getting near the middle of the hill (its run outside Duluth , nuff said) and the puking started again with a vengeance. I thought to myself "what the fuck , I can't even keep down water. I mean really that's all watermelon is. when you cannot even go downhill taking in water the shit has really hit the fan.
Oh and I did the 50 miler one week after racing the 24 hours of falcon ridge that Paddy put on.

Dallas "Now I thinking I have to get back to 9-mile " sigurdur

Ah the memories

PaddyH said...

I think John meant matter,

I seem to remember at least one 18hrs at Birch where we used Whoppers as fuel as well Dallas, and sending my Dad into Wausau for cheeseburgers at 9 mile in 06.

burgers are your friend, don't abuse them!!

halloewen said...

fair enough that dr. h. knows his casuistry, however as one who partook in the sin can he also be one to judge the sin? doesn't casuistry allow one the ability to construct this type of reasoning? john stuart mill point this out in writing of self deception - "There is no ethical creed which does not temper the rigidity of its laws, by giving a certain latitude, under the moral responsibility of the agent, for accommodation to peculiarities of circumstances; and under every creed, at the opening thus made, self-deception and dishonest casuistry get in."

(just asking again, fully knowing that i can not win this one - after all this is not my playing field)

The Dark Lord said...

Uh, dude, haven't you heard of original sin? The assumption that judgment requires a state of sinlessness is completely unintelligible. At least for those who think the distinction between venial and mortal sin significant.

And John Stuart Mill doesn't know shit about casuistry. In fact, he's the enemy. Try Thomas Aquinas.

halloewen said...

how about alexander pope who equated casuistry to building cages for gnats?

halloewen said...

god i love the OED